Hat Tip: Health Care Reform Assumes Millions Would Pay Fine Rather Than Get Coverage

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimated in its study last week that the House bill would bring in $167 billion over 10 years — $33 billion from fines paid by individuals who decline to buy insurance, and the rest from employers who don’t offer insurance to workers or contribute enough toward premiums.

Ernest Istook, a former Republican congressman from Oklahoma who is now a fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation, calculated that anywhere between 8 million and 14 million people would end up paying the fines.

This raises a few problems, he said. First, if those millions somehow get covered and don’t pay the fine, then the health program is faced with a budget hole.

Second, he said, it speaks to a flaw with the insurance packages that are being offered. “If you say people would rather pay $167 billion in penalties rather than buy insurance under your new plan, what’s wrong with your new plan?” he asked.

No matter how you look at this Pelsicare does not provide insurance to the uninsured without creating a debt. Either they pay a fine, or they take the government plan … if they take the Government plan then where is the money to pay for their coverage?

Exit Polls in Va. and N.J.: The Obama (Non) Factor?

Still, majorities of voters in both states (55 percent in Virginia and 60 percent in New Jersey) said President Obama was not a factor in their vote today. Those who said Mr. Obama was a factor in New Jersey divided as to whether their vote was a vote for the president (19 percent) or against him (20 percent). In Virginia, slightly fewer voters said their vote was for Mr. Obama (18 percent) than against him (24 percent).

Among Corzine supporters in New Jersey, 38 percent said one reason for their vote was to express support for Mr. Obama, while 39 percent of Christie voters said it was to express opposition to Mr. Obama.

In Virginia, among backers of the Democratic candidate, Creigh Deeds, 38 percent said their vote was in part to support the president, while 42 percent of McDonnell voters said their vote was in part to oppose the president.

So there you go the majority said it was not a factor. So it was not a factor? Emm, no it was a factor to some of the voters and that means it was a factor. 45% in Virginia exit poll said Obama was a factor that would be in the double digits.

The million dollar question that was not asked is: “If you were making this choice back in Nov. 2008 would your vote have been the same?” – If not which way did it change.

In some ways President Obama is like Candidate Obama – It seems like a certainty that when historians look back on Obama they will see that Obama as President was always campaigning and giving speeches, doing much the same thing as before he was President. Except that when he was a candidate he showed respect for the voters and the American people.

He told prolife people that the decision of when life began was not in the Presidents hands. He said he would work to fund adoptions. He said all people would be at the table; he would be a uniter not a divider. For the most part he showed respect for his fellow citizens – although there were moments of transparency such as when he had his people go after Joe the Plumper.

But in the last 8 months of his Presidency we have seen him go after those who disagree with him, calling them unamerican, demonizing them and blaming them for the problems he is having as President. The insurance companies are just one of many, … Seniors, Teapartiers, Fox news … it seems nobody is above his wrath.

I would like to respect the office, but he does not respect the office. A President represents all the people in the country. A President has great power and with that power comes responsibility. He must have control over his actions and his rhetoric – if he does not he is a danger to us all. I feel it is a pity what Obama is doing to our country. I do not see the office held by a leader, but rather a bully.

I believe that judgment will come. The only thing holding it back is mercy. Mercy is giving people a chance to change and if they take it they will be blessed. But judgment will not wait forever.

I have been referring to the health care as the real moral issue of our time. I believe Jesus would vote yes for a public option.

Although he does not pull this belief out of scripture rather he states that the President has been on record that we have a moral obligation.

Not all religious leaders are in agreement on the question of nationalized / socialized health care. And, when one looks for socialism in churches that do not look at scripture one normally comes face to face with cults like Jim Jones and Jonestown A socialized mecca – hence the name cool aid drinker – who channel what they believe and do not look to scripture. None the less Schultz wants to proceed blindly in to a plan that many congressman have not even managed to understand what the consequences will be.

Schultz avoids the issue of exactly how Obamacare would improve health care. As cost savings are made by rationing care; even actual cost savings like setting up a system that gets trial lawyers our of the health care pocket have been ignored. Abortion and sex change operations will be included. The list goes on to about 1018 pages worth of devils in the details.

Hat Tip: Below The Beltway

If you have not watched the pro life movement; If you have not watched the blue dogs; If you have not watched Obamacare to the point of knowing why the house did not vote for the bill before going on recess. Then you will not understand the significance of the 40 days for prayer this year starting on September 23rd.

The denial that abortion is in Obamacare has gotten to the point that it is silly. Just look at what has already been said to planned parenthood and other pro abortion groups - the not unintended consequence of the nationalization of health care is that the Government decides what services are included on every person’s health coverage – this aspect is being sold as “how” the government will reduce the cost of health care – and the reason that critics say Obamacare is health care rationing.

The only argument that Obamacare does not include federally funded abortion is about the definition of  “federally funded.” On that point the federal government would not pay for “A” abortion, but rather pay for health insurance that “includes a legal procedure” of abortion.

PG 994 “School Based Health Clinic” - will be integrated into the school environment a health care solution.  What this does is puts medical care into the school system. The type of care would be what is approved and legal – Roe vs Wade makes abortion legal.

We already have schools participation in abortions without parent consent – We also have numerous cases of Planned Parenthood failing to notify authorities of statutory rape. These are the current battle lines for parental rights.

We know that when children are enable to do self destructive behavior they are easy targets. If that were not the case we would not need laws against assisting in the “Juvenile Delinquency” of minors. Regardless schools are allowed to pass out condoms and not required to teach abstinence. The reality is that those who want to teach abstinence are mocked by those who want to encourage teen sex.

Now what would an educated prognosis be about the effect of Obamacare as it is written with no words restricting abortion in any manner. On the current problem of teen promiscuity (it would be silly to argue that promiscuity leads to anything other than an increase of abortions and pregnancy).

By what authority does Obama have to create a mandate a requirement for doctors to talk to the elderly about end of life care?

By what authority does Obama have to dictate to insurance companies what service they will offer?

A glance at the Ten Amendment tells us “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

Madison when addressing concerns of critics concerned about Government abuse of general power clause said, “For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power?” He continued, “Nothing is more natural nor more common than first to use a general phrase, and then to explain and qualify it by a recital of particulars.”

“You have to look to the Constitution and ask, ‘Is health care listed?’” Boldin said. “No. It’s not.”

In 1798 when the federal government passed the Alien and Sedition Acts,

Thomas Jefferson and James Madison wrote the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions saying, you can’t do this; we’re not going to abide by this in our states. Jefferson specifically said the people in our country are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their general government. The same holds true today. We’re not subjects.”

The Tenth Amendment provides the people with a level of freedom from the tyrannical nature of Obama’s Politics. It is needed as much today as when it was written.

I’ve seen many posts coming out on HMO horror stories; they are providing ammunition for the fight. Nobodies health care  should be decided by a third party, a  cost benefit panel should not make life and death decisions about the care of a individual because it saves money.

There are such panels; however, in a free market one can get care at a different facility. The problem with a Nation Health Panel is there is no alternatives. When one single payer system exists, there is no other place to go for people on limited incomes. The rich will still be able to get care, they can afford to pay both for the care and the “tax” of not using the public option.

The problem of death panels can not be solved by putting everybody under a single nationalized system. A system that in order to control costs contains a panel to control costs. Costs will be a factor and doctors will be graded based on their compliance to the nationalized system. How hypocritical to fight against death panels with a death panel that is tyrannical – where people can not opt out.